[Coastie]

Valtam
... Do you think that it is fair to mislead people by I quotes like "The goal of Linux Lite is to introduce Windows users to an intuitively simple, alternative operating system. Linux Lite is a showcase for just how easy it can be to use linux". IT ISN'T... when you come from a background where if you want to install a driver you simply search for it download it and it executes itself to a world of distros, repros and terminals. ...

Maybe this project is a little too small at this moment in time to accommodate and coax along a complete Linux newby like me. So, I'll leave you to it and Wish you Well.

Good Bye & Thank You!

I disagree with Mr. Plot. Having tried a few other Linux distros as well as versions of Windows and Mac OS, I believe Linux Lite is by far the easiest Linux to learn. Linux is still Linux regardless of the distro so it does seem a little harder than Windows or Mac OS but the benefits of Linux is worth a little effort to learn it.

Plus with Linux Lite, help is available. I ain't leaving. 8)

[valtam]

Thank you to everyone for your opinions and feedback. Lets see if we can focus on the other half of this topic now and see if anyone wants to get involved with the project.

[ohjrson]

OK Mr Plod your a windows user... Great. Think about this or rather in another way. Have you ever tried any other OS before windows? If not, you really are missing out. If so you probably have noticed that they have a few things in common. A mouse, A menu to start from, and applications.
These to me are the basics. When I started trying different OS I first tried PCLinuxOS, and holy cow it was like I had to relearn everything on how to point and click. I started Windows the same way. Once I got the basic idea, I was able to do more. Same thing with PCLinuxOS, Ubuntu, and Linux Lite. So I think that a lot of the focus for the team of LL creators is not necessarily to create or mimic Windows, but to create a OS that is user friendly, has programs that are comparably good to use, is secure, and most important open to all or shared. Because as the human race has many times exhibited, when it comes to getting things done we can do great things once we all work together.  I still have my concerns with LL but I, as many others are, am still learning.

Would I like to get involved? You bet I would. However I only have user skills and have no programming or any other skills that the team could draw from. A tester of sorts is all that I could be.

So in closing I hope that you get fed up with Windows and all that it tracks and uses etc... When you are ready you will try something else.

Thanks.
ohjrson

[N4RPS]

Hello!

I imagine that there are a few out there who decided to move on rather than continue to work to resolve the issues they were facing. After all, NO distro is for everyone.

If someone's not happy with this OS, it's just as well that they find themselves another solution, but at LEAST give the community a chance to help you first. Toward that end, as Valtam said, lets focus on how to help this excellent OS become even better, instead...

73 DE N4RPS
Rob

[Skorpp]

I'll be very short in my comment here. LL is the best, easiest, most comfortable distro I've used. And believe me : I've tried almost EVERY distro in existance Everything just works OOTB, it's fast, it's friendly and it's beautiful. The only two things I've changed are the fonts (changed to "arial") and the wallpaper. Also I've installed LMMS and some add-ons in FireFox. For the rest this is stock LL.
Hopefully the same politics will be used in the future.
Congrats and respect with this distro. This is the distro I recommend to everyone wanting to change OS.

[valtam]

Thanks Skorpp, we will never change our core values, simple, fast and free. This includes keeping the same base principle to, one application for each common task, whilst giving people the freedom to add to that

[ohdarnit]

I know this is quite an old thread but as  a new LL user (not new to linux) I thought I should still add my thoughts.

As a Linux user (more years on Windows than Linux) I want the most simple desktop, I do not require spinning workspaces or any conky distractions etc.
I guess the most successful simple desktop is Android (growing users by the day), there is very little of a learning curve, you see what you want and tap it, tadah! it opens.

Why can linux not accomplish such as its main user screens? If Linux devs really want to encourage people to give linux a try, what better than the most simple way to get going. Something similar to the available Slingscold on Voyager os.

Things like the dreaded ¨terminal¨ really should be saved for much more in depth tasks and as a last resort for most users. In this day and age with all of the scripts available surely almost all tasks can be done by one click/tap on icons.

Primarily I feel that Linux as a whole has lost its way, getting more and more disjointed and confusing to new users as time goes by. The sheer choice of Linux OS is mind boggling to a new Linux user who simply wants to jump ship quickly (hardly encouraging).

For far too many Windows users, Linux is simply about using the terminal and issuing commands manually. It does not seem to have moved on for many years, just more eye candy added.

[mookie]

To date, my toolkit familiarity has been limited to pygtk. That doesn't seem to be aligned with the WIP evident at github.com/linuxlite so I'm asking whether or not your roadmap intends gtk+ only.
I'm enthusiastic about the prospect of this
https://github.com/linuxlite/litewelcome...te-welcome
being replaced by something like this
https://github.com/shaggytwodope/manjaro-hello
because using webbrowser.open() seems preferable, compared to depending on python-webkit
(in the context of a distro which pre-installs firefox, not chromium/webkit)

The use of an embedded webkit browser, when remotely-hosted content is displayed, has always seemed to me like "throwing users to the wolves" naked, without protection(s) provided by any privacy / anti-tracking extensions the user may have installed (along with inbuilt ff SafeBrowsing + antiphish protections, if enabled). Although we trust that distro devs link to remote help pages "in good faith", apparently they neglect to consider linkrot.  Additionally, and I'm not saying this is the case in Lite's implementation, user usually isn't even provided a tooltip/hint as to the destination, let alone offered a choice, an alternative means to copy/paste a target url and open with his/her preferred browser.

btw, I clicked the link provided, back in the day, within post #1
https://mityer.khdlhfjijfrupr.tk/code.html
Page Not Found

[bitsnpcs]

[quote author=shaggytwodope date=1392284637 link=topic=17.msg30#msg30]Our target audience are Windows users. We want to show people that a linux based operating system can:

1. Be simple to use.

I really love the Synaptic Package Manager (what a strange name)[/quote]

Synapses are sending signals to/from neurons in the brain, and also to make the heart beat/natural pacemaker, they can also be created to a lesser extent in a part of the heart and eyes.
In summary the eyes see Linux, the brain tells the heart it's in Love.

Love can come exclusively from the emotive centre, without logic centre input, different sets of neurons.
As you then formulated a choice this will have came from the logic centre, that loves Linux, yet the choice was to go to windows, love is a confusing thing.

[Coastie]

... Things like the dreaded ¨terminal¨ really should be saved for much more in depth tasks and as a last resort for most users. ...

The use of terminal commands to fix updating problems has keep me away from moving on to Manjaro. This seems to be an ongoing problem for Manjaro. I think about going to Manjaro (rolling release) every time there is a series update in Linux Lite and have to reinstall and the work going with that. The core value of "simple" keeps me with Linux Lite.